I nailed wooden-legged murderer who held Stephanie Slater hostage with a bizarre technique that all cops now use

WHEN a younger property agent was kidnapped by a person posing as a home-buyer, it turned one of many UK’s most infamous kidnapping instances.

Stephanie Slater, then 25, was stored prisoner in a makeshift coffin for eight days and handcuffed bare to a mattress and raped by a wooden-legged killer.

Stephanie Slater was kept prisoner in a makeshift coffin for eight days
Stephanie Slater was stored prisoner in a makeshift coffin for eight daysCredit score: Information Group Newspapers Ltd

When a ransom was paid, she was dumped outdoors her mother and father’ dwelling in Birmingham, sparking one in every of Britain’s greatest manhunts.

Now, practically 30 12 months on, a former high cop reveals for the primary time how she used a pioneering approach to interview traumatised Stephanie.

Her work led to monster Michael Sams being caught and sentenced to life behind bars.

As a brand new documentary on the case hits screens tonight, former Detective Chief Superintendent Ellie Baker tells The Solar how she put the younger girl in a hypnosis-like state.

It was the primary time a police power within the nation had used the cognitive interview technique, which asks the sufferer to concentrate on what they might see, hear, odor and contact.

Ellie, 71, mentioned: “You nearly put the sufferer right into a semi trance.

“It’s simply as in the event that they’re being hypnotised however not in a complete state.

“It’s unimaginable the knowledge we bought.”

Stephanie, who had been working for the Birmingham-based Shipways company for simply six weeks earlier than her kidnapping, went to satisfy a “Bob Southall” to indicate him round a property in January 1992.

The person was really loner Sams, who had already kidnapped and killed Leeds teenager Julie Dart in July 1991.

‘Completely filthy’

Thrice married Sams, from Keighley, West Yorks, held a knife to Stephanie’s throat earlier than blindfolding her and driving her 70 miles to his workshop in Newark, Notts, stopping on the best way to name her workplace to demand a £175,000 ransom.

Ellie was working as a detective inspector for West Midlands Police and was one in every of solely a handful of elite officers within the nation skilled to work as a hostage negotiator.

Ellie Baker, 71, was a specially trained hostage negotiator with West Mids Police
Ellie Baker, 71, was a specifically skilled hostage negotiator with West Mids PoliceCredit score: Paul Tonge

Stephanie had been kept blindfolded in a wooden box inside a wheelie bin with bricks on top
Stephanie had been stored blindfolded in a wood field inside a wheelie bin with bricks on highCredit score: Information Group Newspapers Ltd

It was her job to interrupt the information to Stephanie’s adoptive mother and father, Betty and Warren.

As Sams had warned the property company to not contact the police, Ellie was secretly hidden within the household’s dwelling to coach the mother and father learn how to negotiate for Stephanie’s launch if the kidnapper known as.

Ellie additionally needed to perform a search of Stephanie’s bed room.

She recollects: “Stephanie was a goth and it was fully black, even the lampshade.

“You need to ask the query, ‘Is she concerned on this in any respect?’. So I used to be on the lookout for clues.

Stephanie stored a diary and Ellie was shocked to seek out one entry that learn, “I’m going to get that £175,000”, the very same quantity of the ransom demand.

Ellie then needed to get the diary out covertly, with a fellow officer posing as a postman on the door, so it may very well be forensically analysed.

She mentioned: “It was solely later when she lastly returned dwelling that we might verify she was speaking in regards to the sale of a home.”

Sams managed to evade the police when property agent boss Kevin Watts dropped off the ransom money.

He then dumped Stephanie outdoors her mother and father’ home earlier than driving off.

She was in such a foul state, she might barely stand.

As forensic examinations have been being carried out, Ellie tried to glean info from the younger girl.

She says: “Stephanie was all the time very co-operative.

“However she was saying pretty issues about him.

“In actual fact, she mentioned there have been two of them, two males.

“She knew that she’d been taken for cash however they have been pretty to her and so they stored her heat.

“They stored her on this room, which we thought was a home.

“It was actually pretty. She had pretty meals, she might do what she preferred.

“She mentioned he washed her fingers and ft.

“And I used to be all of the marks on her, on her wrists and ankles. You possibly can see the place the binding marks had been from the blindfold.

“She hadn’t washed, she’d bought the identical garments on and so they have been completely filthy.

“None of it rang true.”

In actuality, Stephanie had been stored blindfolded in a wood field inside a wheelie bin with bricks on high.

Her arms had been strung up like items of meat and electrodes had been shoved down her trousers.

Ellie says: “It was pretty apparent she was affected by Stockholm syndrome.

“With Stockholm syndrome, it’s nearly a love relationship and it’s a coping mechanism that the captive makes use of to indicate compassion actually.”

Stephanie and her mother and father, who've since died, have been taken to a collection within the non-public Priory Hospital in Edgbaston, West Mids, the place a group of docs, nurses, psychiatrists and physiotherapists have been on stand-by.

Ellie’s boss, former Detective Superintendent John Plimmer, was finding out for a PhD in police interview and interrogations methods.

She says: “He’d checked out utilizing the cognitive interview technique, which had been completed in America however solely medically.

“We’d practised cognitive interviewing for his dissertation. Fortunately, I knew the ideas of it.

“Each single factor you do, you need to undergo 4 components: What they will see, hear, odor and contact.

“It’s very tedious and time-consuming.”

Ellie handpicked two different feminine law enforcement officials to assist perform the interviews.

She says: “The detectives I selected had by no means used cognitive interviewing as a result of it hadn’t been introduced out in any power.

“So I gave them a crack course on it. They have been clever girls and shortly picked it up.”

Stephanie gave her first exclusive interview about her ordeal to The Sun
Stephanie gave her first unique interview about her ordeal to The SolarCredit score: Information Group Newspapers Ltd

Solely Ellie and the 2 different detectives have been allowed to talk to Stephanie in regards to the case.

She explains: “In case you break the cognitive interview and also you exit of line with it, the sufferer can change into confused.

“And that’s why we didn’t need anybody chatting with her in relation to the case.

“When the physician or psychiatrist or physiotherapist noticed her, we all the time mentioned, ‘Please don’t ask something in regards to the case and if she says something simply say it is advisable to say that to Ellie’.

“We wanted to maintain her clinically clear, as such, so we bought the entire image.

“All of it sounds a little bit bit controlling, but it surely wasn’t. It was simply how we needed to do it.”

The approach helped Stephanie recall an unimaginable stage of element, together with the wood beams she might see from above her blindfold, how the radio was all the time tuned to Radio 2, the frequency of trains within the background and the sound of a microwave pinging and an old school telephone ringing.

She additionally gave a robust description of her kidnapper, as did a neighbour who had seen her being dropped off after the ransom.

The neighbour, a former paint sprayer, additionally recalled the automotive, a British Leyland Austin Metro, and its precise shade, vermillion pink.

One other key piece of proof was that Sams, now 81, had forgotten to disguise his voice throughout one ransom name, which officers recorded.

The police have been then capable of make an enchantment on Crimewatch, which led to Sams’ first spouse, Susan Oake, coming ahead and figuring out him.

He was arrested at his workshop and jailed for all times in July 1993 for the kidnap of Stephanie and the kidnap and homicide of Julie.

‘Good, heat woman’

Stephanie, who gave her first unique interview about her ordeal to The Solar and, years later, printed a e-book about it, had been fortunate to flee alive.

Ellie says: “Stephanie was an odd woman.

“She was a pleasant, heat woman.

“I believe she survived as a result of she was compliant with him.”

Michael Sams is serving life for the murder of teenager Julie Dart and kidnap of estate agent Stephanie Slater
Michael Sams is serving life for the homicide of teenager Julie Dart and kidnap of property agent Stephanie SlaterCredit score: PA:Press Affiliation

After Sams' trial, Ellie got promoted to Detective Chief Inspector before rising through the ranks to Detective Chief Superintendent
After Sams' trial, Ellie bought promoted to Detective Chief Inspector earlier than rising by the ranks to Detective Chief SuperintendentCredit score: Gather

After the trial, Ellie bought promoted to Detective Chief Inspector earlier than rising by the ranks to Detective Chief Superintendent.

West Midlands Police went on to plot a cognitive interview coaching programme for each power within the UK.

Ellie, who give up the power in 2005 and later did non-public consultancy work for a solicitors agency earlier than retiring 18 months in the past, says: “It’s used in the present day however solely in very severe instances, solely due to price and the time it takes.”

Stephanie went on to work with police to assist officers coping with kidnap victims and in addition supported survivors to beat their ordeal.

She later moved to the Isle of Wight, the place she had holidayed as a lady, and opened a present store.

She sadly died of most cancers aged 50 in 2017.

Her pal Stacey Kettner mentioned on the time: “It took him 25 years however Michael Sams lastly killed my finest pal Stephanie Slater.

“I'm heartbroken.”

Ellie was deeply saddened to listen to the information and believes the “extreme trauma” she skilled might have been a think about her early demise.

She says: “I’m not a physician however having labored for a few years with Dwelling Workplace pathologists they usually say if folks undergo extreme trauma — and Stephanie suffered very extreme trauma, lots of people would have died — it by some means impacts the physique’s system and might set off the likes of most cancers.

“Once I learn she died at 50, I assumed that’s so unfair as a result of she’d discovered some happiness.”

  • The Lady In The Field: The Kidnapping Of Stephanie Slater is on tonight and tomorrow at 9pm on Channel 5.

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