Award-winning director Ruben Östlund on absurdity and the madness of modern addictions

Euronews Tradition was in Iceland this month for the European Movie Awards, which noticed Swedish filmmaker Ruben Östlund smash all of the competitors and go house with the majority of the awards for his hilarious eat-the-rich satire Triangle of Unhappiness.

Not that this was fully stunning. 

Ever since its premiere in Cannes and its Palme d'Or win - Östlund's second in 5 years, following his win in 2017 for The Sq. - Triangle of Unhappiness has been scooping up accolades and rave critiques left, proper and centre.

Whereas the movie has made our High Movies of 2022 listing - wherein my esteemed colleague shrewdly explored why Triangle of Unhappiness did not work for him fairly as a lot as Östlund's earlier Palme d'Or winner - there isn't any denying its comedic chops and sharp satirical chunk. And you'll wager your backside greenback that come subsequent 12 months's Oscars, that is already the frontrunner for Finest Worldwide Characteristic Movie.

We sat down with Ruben Östlund to speak about his banner 12 months, the complexities of crafting satire in a contemporary world that appears to out-parody parody, the fun of Monty Python, and what his subsequent movie will say about fashionable human beings. 

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Assembly Ruben Östlund previous to his clear sweep on the European Movie Awards in Iceland this monthEuronews
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Ruben Östlund talking to Euronews Tradition about this 12 months's Palme d'Or winner, Triangle of UnhappinessEuronews

Euronews Tradition: It’s been one hell of 12 months for you, along with your second Palme d’Or win in Cannes for 'Triangle of Unhappiness' and your a number of nominations on the European Movie Awards (the interview occurred previous to the ceremony, throughout which Östlund gained 4 awards, together with Finest Movie and Finest Screenplay) – What adjustments, if something, after such accolades?

Ruben Östlund: I’ve mentioned that the primary one (Palme d’Or) is placing stress in your shoulders, and the second takes it away. The second is displaying all people that the primary time they gave me a Palme d’Or was proper! (Laughs) 

However it’s a little bit bit like that – after we gained the primary one, then all people expects you to be in competitors once more with Triangle of Unhappiness. It was a stress with a purpose to make it into competitors – and after we made it into competitors in Cannes, then I felt ‘OK, my work is completed!’ After which after we had been successful a second time, it was an absurd feeling in some ways. You couldn’t anticipate it in any respect. However now I be at liberty! (Laughs)

As regards to the European Movie Awards, we’ve seen one thing of a broadening of the boundaries and horizons of what's thought of European cinema, with worldwide co-productions like 'Saint Omer' and 'Holy Spider' being nominated this 12 months. What do you consider this widening of what it means to be “European cinema”?

I feel it’s nice! This 12 months’s contenders are actually good movies, so it’s a troublesome competitors. I undoubtedly consider that it’s higher for cinema if we don’t slim it down and expression is in a particular fashion or approach. It's a must to present the viewers that there’s an enormous palette, a bit spectrum of expressions.

Contemplating that actuality is usually turning into borderline too satirical for satire, it’s virtually as if satire has to redouble its efforts with a purpose to be a reputable commentary these days. As a filmmaker who skewers social contracts and hierarchies in society and tradition, do you discover it simpler or tougher to make satire?

Effectively, it’s fascinating. In Triangle of Unhappiness, the primary half is satirizing the style world and the wonder trade. And after I was writing the script for that half, I assumed that I had tweaked fairly a bit. However then it takes 5 years for a movie to be launched – it’s a great distance from enter to output with regards to filmmaking. And the identical 12 months it was launched, you could possibly inform that the style exhibits and the way the completely different trend manufacturers are advertising themselves was approach rather more absurd than I made it in my movie. So sure, it may be arduous to satirize our instances.

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I like the highlighting of absurdity!

I grew up on Monty Python and I think about you probably did as properly, contemplating one specific scene in your movie may be very harking back to a sure Mr Creosote sketch. Do you've a favorite Python sketch?

Oh, plenty of them have caught with me! One which I bear in mind and that my mom loves a lot, and which made a huge impact on me, is the sketch the place they’re attempting to promote a parrot that's useless…

The Useless Parrot sketch!

Sure! (Laughs) I like the highlighting of absurdity! I additionally like Fawlty Towers with John Cleese. It’s not Monty Python nevertheless it’s the identical custom of humour. This additionally had an ideal influence on me. However there are such a lot of of those sketches that you've in your again pocket for those who’re born within the 70s and for those who’re introduced up in the course of the 80s.

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Ruben Östlund speaking about Triangle of UnhappinessEuronews

Have there been any significantly memorable reactions to 'Triangle of Unhappiness' which have caught with you?

I've had one the place I used to be screening the movie in Paris and there was a French billionaire within the viewers. I didn’t understand it on the time, however when there was a Q&A afterwards, this man was standing up and was very upset. He began to shout: “It’s not so easy! It’s not so easy!” He was referring to the movie basically. So, I requested him: “What shouldn't be so easy?” He replied: “For those who don’t perceive what I imply, I cannot specify it!” It was an fascinating response. 

The opposite one which stood out for me, one which I used to be very blissful about, was a press screening in Cannes. As a movie critic your self, you realize that in press screenings, there’s usually plenty of leaning again and chin stroking and probably not collaborating in it. However there was one critic within the viewers who stood up and screamed: “That is cinemaaaaaaa!” (Laughs) That one I used to be very happy with!

As nice because it has been for 'Triangle of Unhappiness' with reference to vital reception and prizes, there’s been the tragic loss of life of Charlbi Dean. Is that a specific reminiscence of her that you simply treasure?

We shot the movie in the course of the pandemic, and the ensemble of the movie, all of the actors, had been actually working collectively. It was a really particular shoot, and Charlbi was undoubtedly one of many crew gamers. She was not a diva in any respect – she was somebody that helped her teammates to do a superb efficiency. She was additionally lifting up the entire crew and the movie crew, as a result of she was such a beneficiant and heat individual. And on the identical time, she was acting on a really excessive stage.

It’s only a tragedy, and I actually hope that folks will look on her efficiency and attempt to pay respect to her legacy as a result of she’s undoubtedly price that.

Sure she is, and she or he gave such an excellent efficiency as Yaya.

Sure. After I got here again to Euboea Island in Greece the place we shot the final a part of the movie – we had been in a small village the place we’d all spent seven weeks collectively, simply us, the crew and a few villagers – and I remembered this household feeling that there was in the course of the shoot. It was a really particular feeling that was created and Charlbi was an enormous a part of that.

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I've been curious about how we devour photos in a digital world on small platforms for fairly a very long time, particularly how we've turn out to be virtually addicts to it.
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Ruben Östlund, director of Triangle of UnhappinessEuronews

Lastly, your subsequent movie, if I’m not mistaken, known as ‘The Leisure System is Down’…

Sure it's!

Are you able to inform me a bit extra about it? I do know that it takes place on flight…

Effectively, I've been curious about how we devour photos in a digital world on small platforms for fairly a very long time, particularly how we've turn out to be virtually addicts to it. And typically if you go on a flight, you may have fairly fascinating ideas. Fairly often after I’m engaged on a script and I’ve been on a flight, I feel: ‘Wow – I’ve received a very fascinating thought now!’ And through these flights, I’m not related to the WiFi. I wished to go and examine this a little bit bit extra.

So the brand new movie; The Leisure System Is Down takes place on an extended haul flight, and fairly quickly after takeoff, when all people is beginning to take a look at these screens which are in entrance of them on the seats, the passengers get the horrible information that the leisure system shouldn't be working. So we've fashionable human beings doomed to a 15-hour lengthy flight when the iPhone and iPads are charging out. Analogue boredom, and so they must socially work together like within the “previous instances”!

Insanity!

Insanity! Precisely! (Laughs) It’s going to be very fascinating to enter that. I’ve heard of some very fascinating surveys that ask a check individual to enter a room and do nothing. And the check individual doesn’t know that the time restrict of this experiment is just quarter-hour. However they mentioned it was horrible! They felt it was torture! After which they added a characteristic to the experiment, which was that in the event that they wished to, they may push a button to present themselves an electrical shock.

Like a reverse Milgram experiment?

Sure! And this electrical shock was painful however not dangerous. And with a purpose to break the established order of simply coping with your personal ideas for quarter-hour, 40 per cent really pushed the button to present themselves a painful electrical shock. I feel this says one thing about us and our have to distract ourselves… So I’m going to take a look at fashionable human beings on this context!

Try the video above for extracts of our interview with Ruben Östlund.

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